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    I am going to miss Zach more than I've ever missed anyone. I'm already depressed and he's not even gone yet. Only you ladies here will understand  how deep that feeling goes. The people in my "real" life will know I'm sad and will even know why, but they won't really "get it."  

  I DO wish Thorsten every happiness and hope he gets whatever he is seeking in his life.  I would so like to know just what that is. If only he could (would)  talk to us and tell us what he has in mind, how he plans to spend his time, what he wants to do, and how he really feels about his current situation. It is so frustrating to care so much and NOT be able to talk to him  about it. I wish he would use that     sign- in  more often and let us in on his honest thoughts, but I guess he can't (or doesn't want to) do that.  (My "Myrtle/Eileen envy" is at an all-time high right now. She always had that inside track, lucky lady!) 
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Ok, if I get this straight, killing off one of the most popular characters is going to generate "great" storyline and improved ratings!?  Are you freaking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!  All this is going to do is put the ratings in a freefall and AMC on the chopping block.

I don't know if anyone knows this, but the current headwriters also wrote for Guiding Light, which was CANCELLED over a year ago.  What made TIIC over at ABC think these two buffoons were any good!?  There should be a rule against hiring head writers from cancelled shows - shows lose ratings because of bad writing, not bad acting. Obviously, the only people who know this are the fans.

TK is too good for the crap that AMC has become over the years.  Watching the storyline as it is being written now is an insult to all of our intelligence. Case in point - Zach Slater would NEVER EVER sell his casinos. He built those casinos from the ground up.  They were his babies. He would also NEVER sell a casino to Ryass Lavery.  Yet, the geniuses writing the show would have us believe that and worse.

Once Zach "dies" I will never watch this craphole of a show again.

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Watching the storyline as it is being written now is an insult to all of our intelligence. Case in point - Zach Slater would NEVER EVER sell his casinos. He built those casinos from the ground up.  They were his babies. He would also NEVER sell a casino to Ryass Lavery.  Yet, the geniuses writing the show would have us believe that and worse.

Once Zach "dies" I will never watch this craphole of a show again.

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Sing it, sister.  Here's another thing Zach wouldn't have done...GET PARTNERS!  Zach would hate having to answer to anyone about his casinos.   The buck has always stopped with him!  So this is yet another case of BS by the writers.

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By Pah: The people in my "real" life will know I'm sad and will even know why, but they won't really "get it."  

  I DO wish Thorsten every happiness and hope he gets whatever he is seeking in his life.  I would so like to know just what that is. If only he could (would)  talk to us and tell us what he has in mind, how he plans to spend his time, what he wants to do, and how he really feels about his current situation. It is so frustrating to care so much and NOT be able to talk to him about it.


Pat, I Echo your feelings and I find myself in a sort of limbo; so very sad to be saying goodbye to Zach, who will forever have a place in my heart! and then I am hopeful for what the future may bring But like you and all of us that care so much for Thorsten; would like to know his plans?? It would in some way ease the pain and loss.

The pleasure of watching TK/Zach Slater!! memories that are now embedded in my heart & soul will not be muddied or spoiled by poor s/l writing. TK gave us the character, the man Zach, Zach Slater. Who ignited the fire in us all and lit the torch of Zendall with his unique portrayal of love, honesty and passion. A FIRE such as this NEVER DIES. With his death the FIRE shall burn ever brighter and in the world of soaps and make believe HISTORY has been made.

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Once again I will turn off AMC.
Each time Zach came back it was a breath of fresh air.
Now...sadly the BEST character in all of
daytime TV is being dispensed with.
It seems reasonable to think that a failing show
with an actor capable of creating that character would do everything in it's power to accommodate that actor. Then again who ever said that TIIC had any sense what so ever?

Go Lightly in Life TK.

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I will miss Zach Slater more than I could ever imagine missing a fictional character. More than that of course I will miss seeing TK on my screen on a regular basis. I am however glad that he did come back to give us closure for Zach and to the great love story of Zach and Kendall. To give Zach a "soap death" allows IMO, an exit that is not OOC and shows respect for the character, the actor and the fans. For that I am grateful.
I will watch Kendall's grief and probably cry right along with her but the minute they write a "new man/romance" for Kendall I will be done with this trainwreck that was a once great show.
As much as I will miss Thorsten on screen, a part of me can't help but be relieved that he no longer has to endure the crapfest that has been written for the last 2+ years.

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To give Zach a "soap death" allows IMO, an exit that is not OOC and shows respect for the character, the actor and the fans.


I'm not particularly grateful, lol.  For me...the exit story is more about Kendall, pleasing Kendall fans (by throwing not one, but possible two or three men at her, and pleasing even Zendall fans cause their couple stayed together even if Zach has to die to keep the romantic fantasy alive.  Zach not-so-much. Seriously, he's going to "die" because he's on a plane to help RYAN, probably cause he knew that's what K would want him to do? I've said it before, but I would have rather seen Zach come to the conclusion that as much as he loves Kendall, he can no longer live with her or accept her devotion to Rylee especially when it comes at his expense as well as the boys.  That would be as in character as anything, given that Zach is a self-confident, proud, no nonsense, realist and someone who would never settle for a woman who can't choose between her family and her friends.  I wouldn't have blamed Zach for telling her that yesterday when she was making excuses for her decision to use herself and the boys to help the toxic needy twins. 

Furthermore, I will lay money down that Zach is going to be trashed in "death" to justify Kendall moving on as quickly as possible, so no...I don't think we'll see much respect for Zach in the not too distant future. 

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Ditto, Ann!  ITA with every word.  This was one for the ages.  I don't think we'll ever walk this way again.  I hope we do, but there will never be another Zach Slater-  simpy the best! 


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I'm not particularly grateful, lol.  For me...the exit story is more about Kendall, pleasing Kendall fans (by throwing not one, but possible two or three men at her, and pleasing even Zendall fans cause their couple stayed together even if Zach has to die to keep the romantic fantasy alive.  Zach not-so-much. Seriously, he's going to "die" because he's on a plane to help RYAN, probably cause he knew that's what K would want him to do? I've said it before, but I would have rather seen Zach come to the conclusion that as much as he loves Kendall, he can no longer live with her or accept her devotion to Rylee especially when it comes at his expense as well as the boys.  That would be as in character as anything, given that Zach is a self-confident, proud, no nonsense, realist and someone who would never settle for a woman who can't choose between her family and her friends.  I wouldn't have blamed Zach for telling her that yesterday when she was making excuses for her decision to use herself and the boys to help the toxic needy twins. 

Furthermore, I will lay money down that Zach is going to be trashed in "death" to justify Kendall moving on as quickly as possible, so no...I don't think we'll see much respect for Zach in the not too distant future. 


DITTO on all your points.

I am too angry to say more than that and I couldn't have said it better than you anyway.

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To give Zach a "soap death" allows IMO, an exit that is not OOC and shows respect for the character, the actor and the fans.


I'm not particularly grateful, lol.  For me...the exit story is more about Kendall, pleasing Kendall fans (by throwing not one, but possible two or three men at her, and pleasing even Zendall fans cause their couple stayed together even if Zach has to die to keep the romantic fantasy alive.  Zach not-so-much. Seriously, he's going to "die" because he's on a plane to help RYAN, probably cause he knew that's what K would want him to do? I've said it before, but I would have rather seen Zach come to the conclusion that as much as he loves Kendall, he can no longer live with her or accept her devotion to Rylee especially when it comes at his expense as well as the boys.  That would be as in character as anything, given that Zach is a self-confident, proud, no nonsense, realist and someone who would never settle for a woman who can't choose between her family and her friends.  I wouldn't have blamed Zach for telling her that yesterday when she was making excuses for her decision to use herself and the boys to help the toxic needy twins. 

Furthermore, I will lay money down that Zach is going to be trashed in "death" to justify Kendall moving on as quickly as possible, so no...I don't think we'll see much respect for Zach in the not too distant future. 

Alina, you posted exactly how I feel and boy does it piss me off too. That Zach "dies" to help Ryan...no words for how sick that makes me. The only thing I am grateful for is getting to see Thorsten again because I am selfish that way, lol. But as a Zach Slater fan, I feel my favorite character is being sacrificed at the altar of Zendall. And I think it sucks!
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[But as a Zach Slater fan, I feel my favorite character is being sacrificed at the altar of Zendall. And I think it sucks!


That's exactly how I feel. 

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Well, this is it for me, because when Thorsten/Zach is gone, so am I!

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AMC will also lose another viewer once TK leaves the show.

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Once again I will turn off AMC.
Each time Zach came back it was a breath of fresh air.
Now...sadly the BEST character in all of
daytime TV is being dispensed with.
It seems reasonable to think that a failing show
with an actor capable of creating that character would do everything in it's power to accommodate that actor. Then again who ever said that TIIC had any sense what so ever?

Go Lightly in Life TK.

Bravo, well said!!!!!!!!!
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When the plane goes down and they confirm that Zach is dead,  Amc will forever be dead to me. I am finished forever. Kendall can have as many men as she wants, I won't be watching. My taping of this train wreck will definitely be over.

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Guess we all are in agreement - no Zach (TK) no AMC - what for - sorry Erica (Susan)!   I just saw Zach (TK) for the first time last year, and only started watching AMC because of him.  Since I am new to all of this - any chance of seeing him in some dream sequences - Kendall having dreams about him or visions of him with her?? It wouldn't seem right to have her move on too fast - she supposedly loved him, although I know some of Kendall's history. I realize that they say they do not find the body, so it does leave room for him to come back although we all know he does not want to leave his family to go to CA, but may be in the future.  Any chance, he is faking his death as he did once before, or is that unlikely that because of his love for Kendall and his family.  Guess all is wishful thinking because can't bear the thought that he won't be on, and we won't see him. Hope we see him in some capacity - Zach Slater (TK) Prime Time !

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Guess we all are in agreement - no Zach (TK) no AMC - what for - sorry Erica (Susan)!   I just saw Zach (TK) for the first time last year, and only started watching AMC because of him.  Since I am new to all of this - any chance of seeing him in some dream sequences - Kendall having dreams about him or visions of him with her?? It wouldn't seem right to have her move on too fast - she supposedly loved him, although I know some of Kendall's history. I realize that they say they do not find the body, so it does leave room for him to come back although we all know he does not want to leave his family to go to CA, but may be in the future.  Any chance, he is faking his death as he did once before, or is that unlikely that because of his love for Kendall and his family.  Guess all is wishful thinking because can't bear the thought that he won't be on, and we won't see him. Hope we see him in some capacity - Zach Slater (TK) Prime Time !

Hi there, I can see (from the date you became member) you are new here, and have only been watching the show for a short time.  I can understand some of your speculation because you haven't known Zach for as long or as intimately (perhaps you can raid the archives on this site and watch Zach's story from the beginning, you won't be sorry, believe me, it will be time well spent).  So, let me tell you, ALEXANDER CAMBIAS JR faked his death, for good reason, and at a very young age.  ZACH SLATER would not fake his death and leave Ian behind to be raised/influenced by The Rabid Rage Monkey!  I have, for a while, wished that he would walk out on Kendall, a-la-Rhett Butler, and I can see him leaving Spikester behind because the sperm seller is still around, but he would not walk out on Ian or leave him behind.


Gosh, I would love to see Kendall/Erica/Opal have some flashbacks (of stuff that we haven't seen before) or even dream sequences!  I will take anything Zach, anything TK!

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Good bye AMC...again. I came for TK and I'm leaving with him.
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Good bye AMC...again. I came for TK and I'm leaving with him.
There is ONLY one Zach Slater and that's Thorsten Kaye. The ratings can't get much lower!

Me, too.  It's the end of the line for me & Zach. 


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Hi  Searose,

So there is no misunderstanding, please know Zach (TK) can do no wrong in my book.  In my opinion, whatever he does (or did) was always for good, justified reasons.  Love him!  When I said, maybe he is faking his death, I meant maybe he had to do that to protect Kendall and the children for awhile until some of the problems he is having with his partners cleared up, but he would come back at some point, I did not mean that he would leave Kendall and the children for good, or change his name, etc.  Was just looking for all wishful thinking angles that he is not gone. Too sad to think of that (even if it is a soap).  Zach is such a great character, and TK portrays him fabulously.  Well, at least the body will not be found, so that is good to leave the door open for a potential return someday.... Again, I respect and admire TK's decision to be with his family -  I am just being selfish because he will be missed!  I wish TK all the very best and look forward to seeing him soon in other venues!!   
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I'm not particularly grateful, lol.  For me...the exit story is more about Kendall, pleasing Kendall fans (by throwing not one, but possible two or three men at her, and pleasing even Zendall fans cause their couple stayed together even if Zach has to die to keep the romantic fantasy alive.  Zach not-so-much. Seriously, he's going to "die" because he's on a plane to help RYAN, probably cause he knew that's what K would want him to do? I've said it before, but I would have rather seen Zach come to the conclusion that as much as he loves Kendall, he can no longer live with her or accept her devotion to Rylee especially when it comes at his expense as well as the boys.  That would be as in character as anything, given that Zach is a self-confident, proud, no nonsense, realist and someone who would never settle for a woman who can't choose between her family and her friends.  I wouldn't have blamed Zach for telling her that yesterday when she was making excuses for her decision to use herself and the boys to help the toxic needy twins. 

Furthermore, I will lay money down that Zach is going to be trashed in "death" to justify Kendall moving on as quickly as possible, so no...I don't think we'll see much respect for Zach in the not too distant future. 

WELL SAID ALINA.  After watching this week and seeing Kendall ONCE AGAIN chose those two assholes BEFORE her family and actually want to put her kids in jeopardy there is NO WAY I can believe that Zach would stay with her.   There is no way he would respect a woman who would put her children in jeopardy or state that she can't chose between her family or her friends.  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?    In my mind the reason he stayed is because of the boys because he's the kind of guy who would sacrifice his happiness for his boys. 

I for one don't want to see her fake tears and her probably blaming herself day after day and her little pity party.   She didn't appreciate the man AT ALL and NEVER appreciated everything he did for her.   This character is totally dead to me and I don't think she's capable of loving anyone.   My heart breaks that Ian will be left to be raised by this sicko woman.   I even feel for Spike because he has two losers for parents.  Both boys deserve to be taken away from her.

I too would have preferred Zach to have left her and taken Ian with him.
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   Toasty 2, I am always so glad to see that I am not alone in my feelings about Kendall.  I do think that Kendall does believe she loves Zach, but the problem is that she is not capable of real abiding love. She has shown this repeatedly. It doesn't take much for her to flip from one guy to the next. She uses sex and betrayal as payback when she's angry, and as an instant cure for grief, bereavement, or disappointment. Add to that her enduring addiction to Ryan and Greenlee......she loves each of them more passionately than she loves Zach. She has thrown that in his face so openly and so often, placing his needs and feelings at the end of the line. Even knowing this, I was flabbergasted when she actually ASKED him to go on this  dangerous rescue mission for her "other lover". What GALL.  I could see it on his face that he was shocked too and badly hurt. I will have no sympathy for her when he is gone. Kendall ( not Alicia, of course) will be directly responsible for his death. Let her suffer!

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Yes ala Rhett Butler.   Frankly my dear...would be so sweet.


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AMC is already off my DVR recording list. Monday was my last day.  I have no desire to see who Kendall will have grief sex with. I have no desire to watch the Ryass and Greenlee hour.  I have no desire to see Kendall move on to another man within a week. Because we all know how much she "loved" Zach

I read the TV Guide article by Michael Logan and I am amazed and stupified that TIIC in charge at AMC and ABC have no freaking clue how to fix the show or the state of soaps and yet, the fans do! But no one listens to us!!! And TIIC says that soap viewership is dropping. Well, DUH!!!!! Why watch a show that pisses off and insults the intelligence of its fans!? I was a big fan of GH back in the day. How I wish Gloria Monty was still alive.  She knew how to produce a first class show.

I am predicting right now that AMC will be very close to cancellation, if not cancelled, by this time next year. 
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AMC is already off my DVR recording list. Monday was my last day.  I have no desire to see who Kendall will have grief sex with. I have no desire to watch the Ryass and Greenlee hour.  I have no desire to see Kendall move on to another man within a week. Because we all know how much she "loved" Zach

I read the TV Guide article by Michael Logan and I am amazed and stupified that TIIC in charge at AMC and ABC have no freaking clue how to fix the show or the state of soaps and yet, the fans do! But no one listens to us!!! And TIIC says that soap viewership is dropping. Well, DUH!!!!! Why watch a show that pisses off and insults the intelligence of its fans!? I was a big fan of GH back in the day. How I wish Gloria Monty was still alive.  She knew how to produce a first class show.

I am predicting right now that AMC will be very close to cancellation, if not cancelled, by this time next year. 


Lynn, a head's up that Zach still has one more "appearance" to go. It was supposed to be on Thursday but that was before Obama's press conference that threw off the schedule a couple of weeks ago - I don't know if the show schedule for this week was affected or not so it might be Friday now.  They are really prolonging our agony.

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Thanks so much Christy for the information and will catch today and tomorrow if it is not today - Will stay in touch here and do better remembering the name and password - Know you will keep us up on anythiing new - Hope TK is getting to a lot of Red Wing games and they are really doing great - Thank you all so much - Love, Peggy

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Christy, thanks for the heads up! I don't know if I want to watch though.  If TK's last scene is on the plane that is about to crash and Zach realizes that this is "the end" - there is NO WAY I could watch that.  I am so upset at AMC for what they are doing to Zach that I know that if I threw my remote at the TV, I wouldn't miss this time (yes, I have thrown it before).

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You have to watch it - We all do - Then they will hear the TERRIBLE THUD after his last appearance - I am so proud that TK chose time with his family over this AMC Mess - He has been greater to AMC than they deserve by a long shot - GO RED WINGS - Peggy

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OMG, OMFG, the plane crashed already, and no Zach scenes! 
I am afraid the fuckers skimmed his final scenes to catch up with their fucking Friday cliffhangers (which explains why his last scene on last Friday was 20 minutes before the show ended)!!!!!!!!

ETA:  And Kendall's chest reacts, as if TRUE LOVE (my ass)!  And her HERO  jumps in the water to look for Zach!!!!!


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OMG, OMFG, the plane crashed already, and no Zach scenes! 
I am afraid the fuckers skimmed his final scenes to catch up with their fucking Friday cliffhangers!!!!!!!!

ETA:  And Kendall's chest reacts, as if TRUE LOVE (my ass)!



There will be a final Zach/Kendall scene. (ETA:  Zach died offscreen - we won't see his body.)

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There will be a final Zach/Kendall scene. (ETA:  Zach died offscreen - we won't see his body.)
Thanks for letting us know about the final scene, Christy!

Yeah, we only "heard" the explosion/impact.  But five minutes (can't be much longer than that, since no emergency crew or coast guard or anyone has shown up yet) of looking for Zach in the waters in dark, and the fucker already referred to him as "body", and proclaimed to Greens that Zach "IS GONE"!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, I don't have a problem with Zach being presumed dead, because that leaves the door open for him(TK ONLY) to return in the future.  Who knows?  May be Kaye family can move to CA some time in the future, or Zach can go to Llanview, or whatever.  My problem is The FUCKERS making his supposed death about RYLEE!  And RYLEE being the ones at the site of crash!!!!!!!!  Even in supposed death, Zach could not escape the curse of RYLEE!!!!!!!!!!

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Jesus . . . I can't handle this at all.

June


P.S.  Christy??  Do you know if it was be a "ghost" Zach??  I can't handle that.

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I was thinking that maybe Zach jumped out with a parachute before the plane crashed, his former partners find him, take him away, and hide him, but he escapes. .  Of course, we won't know this unless he returns in the future. [We only want TK to return as Zach no one else will do.]  For now, we hope we can still see Zach (TK) in Kendall dream or 'ghost' appearances periodically.  Guess I won't accept giving up Zach/TK for long.  Both Zach and TK are just to good not to see!!  Love you Zach/TK !  All the best!

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And I was thinking that Zach's investors kidnapped him and put a bomb on the plane so it looks like Zach was killed when he really wasn't - since they will never find his body. Zach escapes and comes back (hopefully if TK decides to come back or TFIC beg and plead when the ratings nosedive further).

I could also see Zach faking his own death to protect Kendall and the boys from his investors, but if he came back and Kendall found out he faked his death to protect her, she would go all apeshit mad because he didn't tell her. And then Kendall wouldn't want him back because he lied to her and put her through the agony and grief of his death. 

So scenario one is my choice - although with these hack writers, who knows.

I admit it - I already miss Zach/TK. I have been crying all weekend 
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