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Today,when Ridge tells Caroline what happened ,I  hope she hugs  him tight...Ridge needs it!

He is under so much pressure...first that LOSER, blackmailing doctor making erroneous assumptions of Ridge... Wolin  to Ridge

"total control of everything and then poof?? ...(more like... dumb doctor here ...THEN POOF... swatted like the annoying bug he

was!LOL)[ant]

Listen up doc...Ridge had the misfortune of consulting you, IDIOT ,because he didn't have control over everything...he had the

children he wanted...he now wanted to spend the rest of his life loving Caroline and making endless love at the loft ...but she

wanted a baby so there he goes and changes his life plans for her...so stupid doctor...you are wrong and hopefully dead !
 
And second...Ridge daily has to cope with the UGLY fact that his son raped Caroline and that she is not as determined

as Ridge about keeping Douglas's paternity a secret!


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Yeah, me too!  I LOVE those close-ups of his expressive face. He knows exactly how to speak to us without words and tell us just how he is feeling. IMO that is his forte!!! I look forward to those episodes that give TK the chance to speak to us with his face, his eyes, and his body language.
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I totally agree, pah... and when they did the close up of Ridge staring at the truck with the doctor underneath, I really wanted to lick those eyelashes!!  [blush]
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LOL Kathy, loved the sound effect and the visuals, just the way you describe them [rofl]

Yeah, TK, as always, was masterful, and I am glad whoever directed these last couple of episodes gave us some good Ridge close-ups.  Screen time, AFAIC, will never be enough unless the camera is on him every moment, LOL.  But it is nice when Ridge gets good close-ups in an emotional story involving him.


I could have watched Ridge standing reacting there all day! It's funny how something you would barely even watch with another actor has you mesmerized when TK does it.

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Was it just me, or did anyone else want to kick their heels together and appear in Ridge's office and physically drag the rapist's ass out of there????????  Never mind, I see too many hands raised to count!

Was it just me, or did anyone else flash back to Kendall when Caroline asked him what I wish she didn't???????  [sigh] 

OhKaye, off to worrying about liquor-laced-lips next [worried]


I had the exact same reaction to both Creeper and Katie - where is a truck when you need one?! Katie is like a bottle away from spilling, but if she's going to do it I just want her to do it and get it over with, instead of having nobody believe her at first since she's a lush now - it just feels like she's hijacking Ridge's storyline and I don't like it.

And now that you mention it re Kendall....

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OhKaye, off to worrying about liquor-laced-lips next [worried]



searose....She says she can't live without PIG?????!!!...Katie's liquor has LEFT the

lips and wasted her brain!

Remember when she eagerly  told Caroline not  to lose her identity because of

Ridge. Ridge may be the only one who can help her get her self respect again and

she will forget or doubt she even spoke to that bitter, blackmailer!

That will open the way for her to get involved with her psychiatrist ,dump PIG and all

will be well again and CaRidge will do what they do best....fire up our screens

with burning love...it feels like forever!!!





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The sharks are circling...nice that Ridge went to the trouble of throwing a welcome back party for someone who doesn't even work there (or does he? I can't keep track...) when half the people in the room are basically accusing him of murder.

Watching $Pig thank him was enjoyable, though.

Ridge's continuing concern for Steffy was the best thing about the show. I loved how he kept trying to get her to face her feelings, and I wish he had somebody who could talk to him the way he talks to Steffy.

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It was great to see Ridge today, and firing so brilliantly and effortlessly on all cylinders -- loving father, loving son, loving husband, contemptuous brother, gracious party-thrower, steely secret-keeper... just one aspect of Ridge after another came rolling out in the most organic way. But since pissy little anklebiter Rick is obviously not going to let his sibling rivalry complex ever rest, and now he's ferociously on the scent of Dr. Roadkill... I'm guessing B&B is either dusting off a courtroom set, a jail cell set with Ridge's name on it, or both.  Knowing how great TK is in slammer scenes, I kind of hope they are!

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Loved when Caroline went to Ridge and hugged him...but I also would love if she could

be more comforting to him!


PRICK about Ridge..."Ridge is always up to something" ...why didn't OBA remind him

about the time he was continuing his affair with Myrna all along pretending to be back

with Caroline just to manipulate OBA to sign the one year irrevocable CEO position!



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the quack was hit by a truck...did I miss something, why would Ridge be accused?
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This show! Ack!

So the doctor got hit by a truck, an accident. Why oh why does Rick care so much that Ridge went to a restaurant for lunch? Who cares who saw him there...is Rick so paranoid and such a loser that he thinks Ridge's eating habits are so nefarious? Why are these writers so lazy that they can't set it up in a way that things make some sort of sense?

And Katie is quite the betraying bitch. The other day it was Bill she was going to tell ridge's private business to. Today, Rick. The two guys that have a hate on for a Ridge...

Caroline needs to get a grip. Might as well hang a flashing neon sign over her head that says "we have a secret". Ridiculously over the top.

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Loved when Caroline went to Ridge and hugged him...but I also would love if she could

be more comforting to him!

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Well, ladies....hell officially froze over today when $Bill said, ''First of all, I'd like to thank Ridge....''  That was more than a little satisfying!  And not one reference to ''the dressmaker''! 

I agree, Alina.....those guilty looks that Caroline keeps flashing any time TooTall is in the same zip code as her are getting to be ridiculously annoying!!  We GET it!!! 

So good to have Ridge back!  I'm with you, Kathy...it probably won't be long before pRick & Katie figure out a way to somehow make it Ridge's fault that Dr. Drinksalot ended up under the wheels of that truck.  Is it wrong that I wouldn't mind either, watching TK play the hell out of those slammer scenes??  You know he'd kill it!

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Kathy, some of my favorite all time Zach scenes were in jail - the one that pops into my mind was the time he was out of control banging on the cell bars & they chained him to the bed!!  That one electrified me!  So hopefully we're in for more of that!  
IA about $Bill - nice hearing him actually speak to Ridge in a civil tone.  
I have to say there was one scene with Ridge & Caroline in the background (so I can't help it if I'm always watching him/them when others are speaking) & she sidled up to him & wrapped one leg around his - ZING!  They've still got it - although they hardly let them show it now.  That was my 'shallow end' moment for the day.
Katie threw Ridge under the bus in record time.  And BTW, wtf does pRicky have in his hair - it looked like it was dripping with grease!
pRicky is back in weasel mode.  At least it was good having King Ridge back for almost every scene.  He is front & center in his own s/l as well as Steffy's.  Nice to see.


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This show! Ack! So the doctor got hit by a truck, an accident. Why oh why does Rick care so much that Ridge went to a restaurant for lunch? Who cares who saw him there...is Rick so paranoid and such a loser that he thinks Ridge's eating habits are so nefarious? Why are these writers so lazy that they can't set it up in a way that things make some sort of sense? And Katie is quite the betraying bitch. The other day it was Bill she was going to tell ridge's private business to. Today, Rick. The two guys that have a hate on for a Ridge... Caroline needs to get a grip. Might as well hang a flashing neon sign over her head that says "we have a secret". Ridiculously over the top.

I was wondering if maybe she could get her hands on some more of Pam's pills...she needs to CHILL!!! Love seeing Thorsten again, hopefully much more of a story for him to tell in his own special way!



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It's a dangerous game you're playing. He's my son. He's mine.

And with TK's delivery of those lines, all the comments floating around in my head attempting to coalesce into a post about today's eventful show just evaporated. The quietly intense way that TK conveyed Ridge's determination, love, and fear to Katie in his brief, simple, but powerful statement, just about knocked me out of my chair.

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Two words: FU Katie!

I loved how Ridge kept his cool with Katie but I'd kinda love to see him turn the tables on her and accuse her of wanting to break up him and Caroline because she wants him back - because I really can't see any other reason for her to act that way. I mean, pRicky is her nephew, but Caroline is her niece (right? I get so confused) so why would she conspire with one and screw over the other with zero motive? After the employee-friendly way she acted at SP I'd peg her as someone who at least has some sense of decency, so how would she feel if she knew Caroline was raped and Ridge was doing what he did to try and protect her and the baby?

Still, I really enjoyed the Ridge/Katie scenes - I loved the natural, logical way he tried to blow her off. Even though he had to be roiling underneath he handled her perfectly. But when she wouldn't let it drop, his tone and his body language as he walked away with Caroline and Douglas said it all.

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I have to say there was one scene with Ridge & Caroline in the background (so I can't help it if I'm always watching him/them when others are speaking) & she sidled up to him & wrapped one leg around his - ZING!  They've still got it - although they hardly let them show it now.  That was my 'shallow end' moment for the day.



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I always check the background lol can't help it!


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Sigh.. yes that's the one!  I am sure LG can't help herself - who could?   [thud] Thanks for the pic, Malin!
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Sigh.. yes that's the one!  I am sure LG can't help herself - who could?   [thud] Thanks for the pic, Malin!


I actually have all pics of that little scene [wink] I'm sure she couldn't help herself either lol! You're very welcome, Sharon! [biggrin]

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Two words: FU Katie!


My sentiment exactly!! Ridge said she's welcome...but that does not give her the right to ask him VERY personal questions!

Just because they shared a bed a one point...she thinks she can talk to him that bluntly... as usual...no boundaries!

Ridge should have added ... "Katie, please stop, you are acting like Brooke!  You choice to believe a drunken ,incompetent  doctor

who I had the misfortune of consulting first and has lost his licence and who obviously preferred to stalk me instead of accepting he

was WRONG!!! Katie, what is really going on here...
are you acting this way because of some unresolved issue about us not having a

baby when we were together???

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[2dwdfgh]B&B we demand CaRidge love scenes! PLEASE!
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No one but no one!!... can heat up a screen like TK... his moves...his caress ...his lips...Ridge's lips on Caroline's! They have been so

stressed...they can use a relaxing shower scene!!!!!!!! I just don't see Ridge as a bath man...shower is his thing!

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What in the hell is Katie's problem? Is this how she shows Bill she's more loyal to him than, and therefore preferable to, constant rival Brooke -- by destroying the life of the man Bill (with almost comical projection) referred to today as a poser? Because Katie just seems compelled beyond all normal reason to pry into what is so manifestly none of her fucking business, even though Ridge keeps asking her (way more politely than I would!) to drop it. If Ridge is prepared to drop it, WTF isn't Katie?

Today Katie reminded me of that old Far Side cartoon, where the man is shown saying to his dog, "I've had it, Ginger! Stay out of the garbage, Ginger! Or else, Ginger!" And Ginger is shown hearing, "Blah blah blah Ginger!  Blah blah blah Ginger! Blah blah Ginger!"

Only Ginger had an excuse, she's a cartoon dog! Katie doesn't have any excuse. Ridge keeps making these reasonable, logical, heartfelt, convincing arguments to her to back off (i.e. stay out of the garbage, Katie!) -- and Katie just seems to be hearing blah blah blah. Being with cheater Bill has destroyed her ability to listen.

Line of the day: That's the thing with rumors, right? Once you say them out loud, then they become real, because people want them to become real. And that is how scandals are born. Wonderful delivery by TK.

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IA Kathy - that was a masterful delivery by TK & he definitely was more polite than I would've been!!!
That had to be the most insane, inane, from left field utterance that I've ever heard!  WTF is she drinking - she has to be drunk to think it's any of her business on any level or that it could possibly matter to her in this or any other universe!!!  I have no words for how incensed I was trying to watch & not throw things at my tv.  First the defrocked quack drops his little bomb & that blew my mind although he had a motive with blackmail, but Katie - I cannot with her.  I must be missing something.  
As always, Thorsten was captivating today displaying his torment & deep inner struggle to keep it all together - kudos TK!   Why doesn't this man have an Emmy?!?!  Is it me, or did Caroline seem very flirty with tootallThomas today not to mention coquettish & then a bit jealous over the model?  Beginning to think Ridge is wasting his time trying to keep the wheels from coming off.

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As always, Thorsten was captivating today displaying his torment & deep inner struggle to keep it all together - kudos TK!   Why doesn't this man have an Emmy?!?!  


Sing it!

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Is it me, or did Caroline seem very flirty with tootallThomas today not to mention coquettish & then a bit jealous over the model?  Beginning to think Ridge is wasting his time trying to keep the wheels from coming off.


Nope, not just you! My ire was focused on Katie, but I didn't miss Caroline's attitude toward Thomas. His newfound family-before-hot-models (AKA the writers' attempt to redeem him) routine bullshit is making a favorable impression on her. How long before she's spilling the beans to Katie?

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Kathy, Christy, Sharon, Alina, I don't want to fill up the thread by quoting everything you ladies have said the past few days (sorry for the brief absence...........), and then simply saying ITA [wink]  Because they are posts that just say how I feel!

Don't have much to add, except
1) Katie Logan Spencer is pretty much dead-to-me now, because whatever little benefit of the doubt I was giving her has quickly evaporated.  Even as Ridge was pleading with her to drop the subject (and wondering what has happened to the old Katie), the look on her face was still saying she is not dropping it.  The Logan gene seems to be dominant there [rolleyes]  It is bad enough that she has fed the little tidbit to pRick that the "defrocked" doc was Ridge's doc, so pRick is bound to look into why Ridge needed to see this particular type of specialist (I won't even bother typing the word here, LOL).   But the nerve of her to take that extremely intimate subject and coyly trying to bring the rapist into that conversation too??????  If I were Ridge, I would have exploded, only TK's Ridge can be so self-restrained! 
2)  It is one thing for Caroline to act "normal" in front of her rapist in order to guard the secret, but to be SOOOOOOOOO friendly and unnecessarily almost flirty?  No Sharon, it is not just you [sigh]

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Loved how Ridge TRIED to get out of interrogation...yes, he was WAAAY too kind!!
Katie needs to go home - why would she still be at FC anyway??
Caroline's coquettishness is so obvious...
I was praying that one of those interns would announce to Tootallthomas that SHE was pregnant - thus turning his attention AWAY from baby Douglas!
Lord, it looks like they are going to keep dragging this out - hopefully it will blow up and be over during May Sweeps...  [hair]
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 His newfound family-before-hot-models (AKA the writers' attempt to redeem him) routine bullshit is making a favorable impression on her. How long before she's spilling the beans to Katie?
Yeah, he is making it sound like he spends the ENTIRE evenings with Caroline and the baby.  REALLY?  WTF?  I agree the writers are trying to redeem him, and though they won't succeed in changing some of our opinions of him or wipe out our memories, they seem more interested in wanting to justify Caroline's changing opinion of him.  I am not sure if she will spill to Katie, though she may accidentally say something stupid if Katie blindsides her, I am afraid she will instead be spilling to her rapist.  The only reason she didn't tell him she was pregnant was because he didn't seem to want a family.  Now he is suddenly ALL-ABOUT-FAMILY [rolleyes]

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As always, Thorsten was captivating today displaying his torment & deep inner struggle to keep it all together - kudos TK!   Why doesn't this man have an Emmy?!?!  


ICAM... all I did was FF when he wasn't on screen... TK is compelling!


 Katie is giving Ridge a hard time but I think she is genuinely considered that maybe

Caroline hasn't been faithful and Ridge is very much in love with Caroline to see it BUT

yeah it is none of her business!


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Jeez, if NOT for Thorsten...lol!

B&B gives me heartburn!

I don't understand any of it...why anyone does the things they do.  I don't understand Katie's motivation here.  I'm not getting concern for Ridge or jealousy or even a woman scorned vibe (which I don't think she was).  She's just coming across as a busy body bitch and with all the shit going on in her personal life; I don't know why she's inserting herself in Ridge's personal business.

Someone else I don't understand?  Caroline!  OMG, can she drop the giggling school girl antics in general and specifically when it's with her baby daddy rapist?  Whether she's forgiven him or not or views what happened between them as non-consensual or rapey...how the hell can she act like if nothing ever happened between them? Why doesn't she realize how discombobulating it must be for Ridge to see her act so chummy with Thomas?  And don't get me started on grown ass man and "former" playboy creep Thomas dedicating his life to his baby brother and his father's wife.  Doesn't he realize how creepy and out of line it looks for him to be rushing home to spend time with his father's wife who he just happened to screw and impregnate when she was three sheets to the wind and slobbering about her love for his dad.  I don't care how they try to whitewash Thomas...once a creep; always a creep.  Nothing new.

Poor Ridge, the only one who seems to make sense which is probably more because of Thorsten himself than anything else.  He always seems to be able to spin gold from horse shit, lol.


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WB searose! Now I can't add to anything any of you have already said, I just want to express my continuing utter bewilderment at Katie's new role as the human embodiment of a Stupid Plot Trick. She's also a human Non Sequitur to me because I simply can't see what earthly connection there is between her storyline and Ridge's storyline, especially when she's in the middle of an actual storyline of her own. Even if she hated Ridge, she's still friends with his wife who is part of her family too - but it's not as if she's trying to protect Caroline or anything. And far from heeding Ridge's warning, she's doubling down....because she's "curious"?!? Gee, I guess that makes it OK then. How could she not be affected by Ridge's heartfelt entreaties to let him take care of his own family and butt out?

I loved what Ridge said about rumors and scandals.

Zenderalla - coquettish was the perfect description of Caroline today. Watching her stroking Creeper's ego was nauseating. I've seen countless characters being propped over the years, but a woman  having to flatter the guy who raped her takes it to unfathomable depths. When will Thomas start wearing an I'm The Big Brother T-shirt to tug her heartstrings even more?

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Twitter pic from CBS Daytime today of John McCook & Thorsten Kaye on the set.  There is another one but it's the party for the Emmy nominees.  Anyway - I like this one.


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Thanks Sharon great pic of them, love them both, amazing actors.
Poor Ridge he never gets some peace with his wife and baby...great acting from Thorsten again!

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Twitter pic from CBS Daytime today of John McCook & Thorsten Kaye on the set.  There is another one but it's the party for the Emmy nominees.  Anyway - I like this one.


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Malinz what happened to TKs feet in those sexy thongs, I know how much u love feet especially TKs. Lol
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Malinz what happened to TKs feet in those sexy thongs, I know how much u love feet especially TKs. Lol


Lindz, um yeah, something happend to them lol but i made this for you [wink] (a close up) just for you darling! And yes TK's feet must be the only feet i like lol!


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The only way CaRidge will have some peace and finally have LOVE scenes, IMO,

would be if Caroline gets pregnant again...Ridge's and her heart would explode with

happiness and ours!

Wouldn't that be great...just when CaRIDGE feel the walls are crashing in

on them...with PRICK snooping and having friends spying on who Ridge has lunch

with...Ricky should have "L" tattooed on his forehead !LOL

Also concerned friends...like Katie and Brooke before...implying Caroline's

infidelity... Caroline and Ridge announce they are having another baby! The late

doctor's absurd accusations will be in their right place...buried with him!

All is well with the world and Ridge and Caroline will fill our screens with

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The only way CaRidge will have some peace and finally have LOVE scenes, IMO,

would be if Caroline gets pregnant again...Ridge's and her heart would explode with

happiness and ours!

Wouldn't that be great...just when CaRIDGE feel the walls are crashing in

on them...with PRICK snooping and having friends spying on who Ridge has lunch

with...Ricky should have "L" tattooed on his forehead !LOL

Also concerned friends...like Katie and Brooke before...implying Caroline's

infidelity... Caroline and Ridge announce they are having another baby! The late

doctor's absurd accusations will be in their right place...buried with him!

All is well with the world and Ridge and Caroline will fill our screens with

mesmerizing lovemaking!




Amen! That sure would be something! Would love that! Or maybe if they find out Ridge is Douglas father!

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I spent a long time trying to figure out why Katie is pushing Ridge so hard about the baby, and had to go through several layers to come up with this:     What if she HOPES to break up CaRidge by revealing that Thomas is the father of Carolines baby. That would leave Ridge single again, and of course who would try to move in on him?  .....Brooke, of course!!! Who is currently Katie's biggest rival for $Bill's attention??  At least in her own mind (and in MINE too, I just don't trust that tramp with ANY man!)  So if Katie can ruin CaRridge, and leave a single Ridge as bait for the always lurking Brooke, maybe Katie would feel more secure about Bill.  I'd like to think that Ridge would never take up with Brooke again,  but this IS a soap.....and anything,   any HORRIBLE thing could happen. Hope I'm completely wrong, of course.
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Pat, I think that makes so much sense that a standard emoji doesn't cut it....
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Pat, I think that makes so much sense that a standard emoji doesn't cut it....
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Pat, I say Ditto to what Christy said, LOL.

Speaking of $PIG, how dumb is he, not to stick his "henchman", however incompetent he may be, on Deacon, to find out where Crazy Momma may be hiding?  Today's show was a total waste of airtime!

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Pat I think you have hit on something!   IDK why but for whatever reason that scenario completely escaped me.  It is not only totally plausible but the only thing that does make any kind of sense.  
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ladies...that would be an amazing plan but Ridge knows that Thomas is Douglas's

father so that revelation would not break CaRIDGE apart but would expose the

CREEPER for who he is...a rapist!

If Katie's concern has an ulterior motive...to hook Ridge and Brooke again...it did seem

that way... the day of her conversation with the late quack...she rushed home and

almost told PIG but hasn't since...she was buzzed then but sober she sounds

genuinely concerned for Ridge's welfare.


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You girls are too funny, love the feet lol.
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You girls are too funny, love the feet lol.


Hahhaha! TK's feet is very pretty! Love your picture btw!

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I just [love]LOOOOOVE[love] Daddy Ridge!!!!!!

More like, I fall IN LOOOOOOOOOOVE with Ridge every time he is in DADDY mode [blush] [thud] [thud] [blush]

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Me, too Searose!  He's so convincing as Steffy's Dad.  So nice to TK/Ridge back today!  [yippee]
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I just [love]LOOOOOVE[love] Daddy Ridge!!!!!!

More like, I fall IN LOOOOOOOOOOVE with Ridge every time he is in DADDY mode [blush] [thud] [thud] [blush]


Meeeeeee toooooooo! Nice to get a break from Creeper too.

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Two examples of fathers on today's show... Bill and Ridge. Steffy, you don't know how lucky you are that yours is Ridge! I don't think anybody plays a supportive, caring dad better than Thorsten. But once again I found myself wishing that Steffy was not Ridge's daughter.

Steffy was such an idiot to get that ugly ring tattoo. Her fingers looks like she stuck it into three different size black shoe polish bottle necks. Isn't it going to be a bitch to remove?

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