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Woohoo!!!!!!!!!  Go Zach!!!!!  Starting to figure things out, one little detail at a time before anyone else!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zach & Lea scenes in the first episode, Zach invading her personal space, oh, wait, I think SHE was invading HIS personal space too     OMG, I thought it was totally hysterical when he said to Lea "get dressed"    Zach pinning that brooch on her dress brought back memories of Divorce Island  

But most of all, Zach's compassionate side is getting to me.  When he was talking to Cassie, all I could think was, HE should be the one to counsel her, or at least talk to her more often!  And kick the new doctor's ass while he is at it.

And the David Show goes on.  As he was mentioning his triumphs, considering it was Brooke that was interviewing him, it was odd that he didn't mention Laura's surgery when he started naming people he saved.  It is very unlike David.
Oh, of course Jesse and Angie are going to be at odds about the baby  .  I don't understand why she could not wait for Jesse to come back to tell Cassie.  But if I were Jesse, I would have offed Yuri the moment I saw him, damn the consequences!

Since Zach is in the blue shirt as second episode ended, hopefully we would actually get to see a good desk scene if the editors are not scissor-happy, that would really make my Monday morning blues disappear, LOL.

But OMG, the last two seconds of the preview???????????????????????  I am SHOCKED, not having heard about it till now!


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(Searose. the other thread was getting so long I decided to kick off July with a new thread, starting with your last post in that thread, which I moved here.)

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Woohoo!!!!!!!!!  Go Zach!!!!!  Starting to figure things out, one little detail at a time before anyone else!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zach & Lea scenes in the first episode, Zach invading her personal space, oh, wait, I think SHE was invading HIS personal space too     OMG, I thought it was totally hysterical when he said to Lea "get dressed"    Zach pinning that brooch on her dress brought back memories of Divorce Island  



I thought the exact same thing re Divorce Island! Except Zach has sooooooo much better taste in jewelry. (g) (I expected Lea to start singing Copacabana when he pinned that sucker on her.*)

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But most of all, Zach's compassionate side is getting to me.  When he was talking to Cassie, all I could think was, HE should be the one to counsel her, or at least talk to her more often!  And kick the new doctor's ass while he is at it.



Yeah... but !!! Don't you think it's strange that Zach, who is still as far as I know a murder suspect, is allowed to interview a witness in the case he's a murder suspect in? If they ever bring a Badenov brother to trial, what defense lawyer isn't going to make mincemeat of that?!

So as much as I love watching Zach be involved, I just can't stop saying WTF?! Why couldn't they have offered him a deal to consider knocking time off his eventual possible sentence if he acted as an informer or something like that... at least give him some reason (as trumped up even as something like that would be) to continue to be in the loop?

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Oh, of course Jesse and Angie are going to be at odds about the baby  .  I don't understand why she could not wait for Jesse to come back to tell Cassie.  But if I were Jesse, I would have offed Yuri the moment I saw him, damn the consequences!



I continue to not understand why Jesse just doesn't come clean about Yuri blackmailing him. Cassie is safe now. Why didn't Jesse have a whole phalanx of cops and FBI agents spring out from hiding and arrest Yuri when they met?

And I think Angie wants Cassie to have that baby as a replacement for the one Angie lost.

I also wonder if Cassie was already pregnant when she returned from Europe.

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Since Zach is in the blue shirt as second episode ended, hopefully we would actually get to see a good desk scene if the editors are not scissor-happy, that would really make my Monday morning blues disappear, LOL.

But OMG, the last two seconds of the preview???????????????????????  I am SHOCKED, not having heard about it till now!



It's gong to be a long wait until next Monday! I really preferred the M/W showing -- it gives me something to look forward to.

*ETA Friends reference.

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Another show of too-short Zach scenes! Wouln't it have been nice to see some set up for Zach and Lea's marriage skit? I guess we're lucky we got what we did! Searose, the brooch scene reminded me of the same thing. And it was nice to see the blue shirt..

It was just downright anti-climactic the way Angie told Cassie who barely paused mid-blubbering anyway. I'm sooooo ready for this storyline to be over, instead it looks like the fallout will bring us even more David, because he hasn't eaten enough of the show already!

I'm afraid to get my hopes up that they'll even show Zach scenes in the previews for next week, since they never aired a previous Zach preview and I'm still ticked about that. Oh, and it seemed the More show was mostly the same as the one before, same questions, same tweets, same interview. Please stop!!!!! And please please please don't make whatever is going on with Kendall off-screen affect Zach on-screen. That would be so fucking shitty. Maybe AMC is censoring itself now but I'm not.

P.S. I don't like the new schedule. I don't consider two shows in a row "binge watching." And I definitely don't like having to wait a whole week for the next show.

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Thanks for starting the new thread Kathy!
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Why didn't Jesse have a whole phalanx of cops and FBI agents spring out from hiding and arrest Yuri when they met?
 
Now if Jesse does what he should do, that would make too much sense, LOL.  I understand he is scared because Yuri continues to threaten his whole family, but this is SO a repeat of old Jesse, a cop, who ran for 20 years!  You think he should know better! 

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And I think Angie wants Cassie to have that baby as a replacement for the one Angie lost.
 
I think so too, because the moment the doc said she is pregnant, the first word out of Angie's mouth was "BAYBEE............"   And right then was the start of conflict, with Jesse pointing out what a nightmare it would be for Cassie if she had to go full nine months, I think he meant that as in EVEN IF she gives up the baby.  Yeah, Angie will talk Cassie into giving birth, and we will hear endless sermons on how the child is innocent. And David will be by her side through the whole thing.  I am so NOT looking forward to Angie falling into David's bed.  I think the new PTB are as obsessed with David as the old ones were with Ryass.


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Another show of too-short Zach scenes! Wouln't it have been nice to see some set up for Zach and Lea's marriage skit?

Or at least a zinger from Zach about marriage/quickie-divorce would have worked for me, LOL.

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Oh, and it seemed the More show was mostly the same as the one before, same questions, same tweets, same interview. Please stop!!!!!  And please please please don't make whatever is going on with Kendall off-screen affect Zach on-screen. That would be so fucking shitty. Maybe AMC is censoring itself now but I'm not. 


At first, I thought it was repeat, but FF'ed and realized there was some other stuff in-between.  Why?  Again too much David/VI.  If they really ARE listening to the viewers, may be we should all write in about that.  As for Kendall, if she is bed-ridden, whether it is her heart or some sort of accident, it will be hard to swallow that Zach is unaware, because he would at least be keeping contact or getting someone to check on her and the boys, even if we don't get to see that.

The new schedule feels more like a weekly one hour show with 30 seconds of Zach sprinkled in.  Wait, we already went through that with Smash!

Have a safe and happy Fourth everyone!

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So as much as I love watching Zach be involved, I just can't stop saying WTF?! Why couldn't they have offered him a deal to consider knocking time off his eventual possible sentence if he acted as an informer or something like that... at least give him some reason (as trumped up even as something like that would be) to continue to be in the loop?


So much of what goes on is so absurd that if my eyes rolled any further up in my head, they'd get stuck.  But I do love seeing TK on my screen again.

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As for Kendall, if she is bed-ridden, whether it is her heart or some sort of accident, it will be hard to swallow that Zach is unaware, because he would at least be keeping contact or getting someone to check on her and the boys, even if we don't get to see that.


I can't imagine anything, and certainly not being charged with murder and in custody of the FBI, would keep him from Kendall if she was in some kind of trouble.  That's just not the way he rolls.


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OMG!!  I just watched this week's shows. 

The different sides of Zach that TK is playing are just amazing.  In one scene, he is so very compassionate and devastated at what Cassandra has gone through and in the next he is flirting and saying the funniest things to Lea.

I almost sit out my tea (again) when he told Lea to "get dressed"!!  That was classic!!

My speculation on Kendall's being ill is that she pushed Zach away because she didn't want him to watch her die.  I think David's new device will be the thing to save her life.  Just speculation though.

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Easy answer, absofreakinglutely The Charming Handsomeness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ziranda.....  Finally!!!!!!!!  Captain Zach......  Priceless!!!!!!!!  Even Jane liked it!

Zex on the desk...........  made me wonder if those were clothes and papers on the floor or edited footage?????????  Even the kiss was oh-so-short!  Oh wait, nothing happened, they had "stopped". 
I hate that they had me think for a few minutes that something happened when it didn't.  

Oh Kaye, Zach is finally a free man.  But if Lea is as good an FBI agent as she thinks she is, she should have known about Zach's paternal side.  I wish Zach's brief chat with Miranda had a mention of Gaby, even though we have yet to see her.  It is too bad we still don't know what is physically wrong with Kendall.  I wish they had mentioned the boys and where they are.  We heard so much about Cara's kid all this time, and now we even get to see him, but all three of Zach's children don't even get mentioned, let alone be seen.  Very much like everyone has a home in PV, even Petey's new place is all set, but Zach has no home/casino suite/anything?

Now, it is great that they are bringing back veterans, but please, don't dumb them down.  On what planet do smart and savvy people like Brooke and Dimitri need Celia for pep talk and Colby for ideas?  But really, making the gala a charity event was Celia's idea, not Colby's. 

Angie is in love with her "grandchild"!!!!!  Shocking.... NOT.  I can't believe even the online network will be lecturing us on the rights of a fetus to have a voice, even one conceived under these circumstances   

As for the previews, I can't wait for next Monday's Zcenes.

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Searose, I was so pissed when I finished watching the shows that I didn't even have the energy to post. But you said it all. We would never have known that they edited out anything after Zach and Lea's kiss if not for that segment on Inside Edition but thanks to that we do know that yet another Zach scene was cut out. A very important one since it led to the teeny bit of time the show ever gives Zach to have a heartfelt conversation with someone. No long O face scene for Zach! We didn't even get to see him finish a kiss he started!

While Miranda telling Zach that she knew he couldn't have done what they said he did was nice to hear, why on earth was this their first interaction when Zach's been in PV for so long? And while Miranda was talking to Bianca, it was odd that she didn't mention her seeing him. But then, she seemed to have no interest in where Bianca even is, or why she was being so secretive about it. Why do I feel like this is one big clusterfuck waiting to explode in Zach's face when he least expects it and fuck up what little momentum his storyline does have.

As for the rest...The whole Brooke talk show think feels like such a throwback. How many AMC characters have had talk shows now? And Colby is the biggest throwback of all. Just UGH. Hey, Brooke, interview Zach or give him his own talk show. That would be different.

Since TOLN has already shown that their Zach previews don't actually mean they'll show the scene or not, who knows if we'll even get to see Zach next week? In any case...it just feels like the other shoe is always waiting to drop. This version of AMC is now just like the old one.

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Ummm, yup, we got screwed yet again.  

I thought the same thing you did, Christy!  AMC devoted 5 minutes to Petey's O face and they are still talking about it on the MORE show but we can't even see the entire scene we know exists of Zach and Lea. 

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Don't have much to add to what has already been expressed above about #37 and #38... except ITA!  One the one hand, each show had over 5 minutes of Zach scenes. Not bad considering how many other characters are on the show. But I still feel shortchanged because there continues to not only be so little exposition in Zach's scenes, but now we also have the knowledge that even some of the little there is has been cut out before airing.

I actually thought that it was kind of cool to see Palmer's son sitting at a table with Adam's grandson and Erica's granddaughter -- but it pissed me off, too, because Zach's own scene with Miranda was so perfunctory, and why isn't he really getting a chance to interact with anybody except Jesse and Lea when he has a niece and bio-daughter in town?

And Kendall's scene outright royally pissed me off. Right on cue! I'm surprised her outfit didn't include a pair of angel wings, but I guess those weren't necessary since she was lit with heavenly light and armed with such a heavy sword of brave and noble selflessness. But I see her as a mosquito hovering over Zach and just waiting to take a great big bite out of him, now that he's almost a whole man again thanks to his growing interest in Lea. Please AMC, either bring Kendall back or kill her off, but don't make Lea have to compete for Zach with an offscreen living saint!

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And Kendall's scene outright royally pissed me off. Right on cue! I'm surprised her outfit didn't include a pair of angel wings, but I guess those weren't necessary since she was lit with heavenly light and armed with such a heavy sword of brave and noble selflessness. But I see her as a mosquito hovering over Zach and just waiting to take a great big bite out of him, now that he's almost a whole man again thanks to his growing interest in Lea. Please AMC, either bring Kendall back or kill her off, but don't make Lea have to compete for Zach with an offscreen living saint!


MSE!!!

Exactly what I felt today but couldn't find the words to articulate.

Not surprised to see that only Zach has been unable to take his ring off. Figures.

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YES, Kathy, what you said !  ITA.
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YES, Kathy, what you said !  ITA.[/QUOTE


Yes I agree with you Pah...geez its been a while since Ive seen you...Hope you are well...I think of you when I watch Zach, LOL what little we get to see of him...Hope you are having more of him in your dreams like I am...Have Missed him so much...
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Not quite sure where to put his so mods move it if this isn't right.  Saw this video interview on Twitter from CNN with TK giving some acting lessons.  
http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/2013/07/cnns-tapper-was-hesitant-about-amc-gig-receives-acting-tips-from-thorsten-kaye


Love that TK is referred to as AMC's 'heartthrob'!! 

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Thanks for the link Sharon!  Yes, AMC's "heartthrob" he certainly is

Sucks that even THIS little video starts with you-know-who and gives more screen time to.  PP/TOLN could not be more obvious in who they want to push to the fore-front all the time, relevant or not.  But I will take any little crumb of TK-time!

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He went to the right person for acting lessons TK could teach me anytime lol.
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Thanks for finding that for us, Sharon. I enjoyed watching it, though as usual I wish it had been more Thorsten and less OLTL.
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Zach The Teddy Bear!!!!!!!!!  What a perfect way to make my Monday Morning Blues go away

There will never be enough Zach for me, but there was progress today   They allowed Zach to mention Gaby.  They allowed Miranda (and later Zach himself) to mention Spike and Ian.  But then they had Miranda say "no dad in the picture".  I know she has only been told about a sperm bank and a donor and she doesn't know about her two-sided connection to "Uncle" Zach, but still made me sad.  If only her mom had allowed a whole lot of Uncle Zach in her life!  I wish she had been able to talk to Uncle Zach about the bullying and stuff.  And oh, Zach taking that drawing from Miranda for Spike and Ian makes me wonder all over again whether he has contact with the boys.  I would think that with Kozlov threats and all, Zach would have put extra security on the boys and therefore on Kendall, whether they are together or not, so has his security people told him about whatever Kendall's situation is?  I think the new writers have a challenge on their hands.  But then again, I know Mr. Kaye will make me believe whatever it is that Zach is dealing with   Loved Zach/AJ interaction.  Now how about some Zoonyer?

Zach and Lea?  It doesn't surprise me at all that Zach feels betrayed by her and not by Jesse.  If Lea is so good an FBI agent, how come she doesn't know much anything about Zach, about his family dynamics, his relationships, his loyalties, his rules of life, about what makes him tick, about what makes him ZACH?  Not surprised that Zach understands Jesse's predicament more than Angie does.  She now has one more reason to cry and throw a fit and turn to David, UGH.

Angie........ Sad that in one breath, she says "it's your decision" and in the next, she says "the baaaybeeee is innocent".  It doesn't matter whether it is ABC or Hulu, it is still Disney.  Now please don't get me wrong, a rape is a rape is a rape, it is horrific no matter who the victim is and who the rapist is, no matter what the age is and what their background is.  But personally, I don't think Bianca's situation and Casey's is the same, and they should not be making that comparison, not on the show and not on "More".  Just my opinion. 

Colby needs to go retrieve her tiny little brain from whatever gutter she left it in.

Can't wait for 11 am CST, four episodes on OWN!  And pretty soon, Soapnet will be airing Zach's return.  Not quite All Zach All The Time, but we will get many delicious crumbs to gather.

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Searose, I love your last sentence in that post.  Even though I'm sorry AMC is down to an hour a week, how great is it that we have the character of Zach back?  Especially since a year ago we never thought we'd see him again.
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I think episode #40 might be my favorite episode so far...the only thing that would have made the Ziranda interaction even better would have been Zach having a flashback to the first time he met Miranda, too. Even I can't complain about the amount of Zach time in both episodes, too...but searose, I so agree with you about Cassandra and I haaaate that she is pregnant and being pressured to not have an abortion even though she desperately wants one. I also agree that there is no comparison between her situation and Bianca's and I hate the way the show keeps conflating the two. On the other hand, I cheered when Angie took that shot at Todd Akin. But it wasn't enough to not make me feel very uneasy about this storyline given all the rightwing whackjobs trying to send women back to the middle ages.

It feels like Zach and Lea hit a wall after some relationship-developing moments. Even though I always thought that Zach would react the way he did when he found out that Jesse betrayed him, I felt kinda sorry for Lea. I'm cutting her slack because at least she was on Zach's side and she has given him the benefit of the doubt at least so far. But after two good Zach shows, not only were none of his scenes recapped in the "More" show but he wasn't even in the previews. WTF?

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I was so delighted to see Zach finally interacting with someone besides just Lea.  He and Miranda have a wonderful chemistry.  Love that she thinks he's Uncle Teddy Bear.  It seems appropriate considering what a great hugger TK is rumored to be!  And to finally hear the names "Spike and Ian" come from his lips.  I hope this means that the writers have finally figured out that Family is Everything to Zach Slater.  It's about time.
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 Oh Katbert, that's no rumor!!  Those hugs are fabulous and once you get one, you'll always want more... (and more and more and more)......believe me, I KNOW!

Did anyone watch the episodes on OWN today?  I did,  and it was so nice to see Zach on  my TV again. Even though I watch on iTunes every day,  I am looking forward to being able to record as many episodes as Oprah will provide.
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correction: Of course ,I don't watch iTunes every DAY, since they now dump it all in on Mondays, but I DO watch every EPISODE.....(repeatedly.)
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Zach and Lea?  It doesn't surprise me at all that Zach feels betrayed by her and not by Jesse.  If Lea is so good an FBI agent, how come she doesn't know much anything about Zach, about his family dynamics, his relationships, his loyalties, his rules of life, about what makes him tick, about what makes him ZACH?  Not surprised that Zach understands Jesse's predicament more than Angie does.  She now has one more reason to cry and throw a fit and turn to David, UGH.

Zach's reaction didn't surprise me, either, and I was glad he outright told Jesse that he would have done the same thing... that pretty much went without saying. I was glad to hear Zach say to Lea, "You know how close Jesse and I are," because Zach has never really had a friend on his own level before. He and Jesse are both empathetic, sensitive men, but they're both also capable of doing just about anything they have to to protect the people they love, even when there is a good chance it will backfire on them.

I loved how Zach barked at the agent to take Jesse's handcuffs off and the guy actually hesitated.

Searose, you make another very good point about Lea's lack of professionalism (g). But she made out in her office with Zach -- so even if they do give her the J. Edgard Hoover Super Duper Outstandingly Meritorious Service of All Time for Employee Excellence Medal to add to her collection of awards... she'll never top that achievement (g).

I think Zach is terrified of entering into a relationship with Lea, and he's using anger at hiding her investigation of Jesse to sabotage it before it begins so he doesn't have to deal with it, because leaving his ring on isn't enough of a barrier. Zach wouldn't be terrified if he didn't really want to do it, so eventually his desire to be with Lea will get the best of him. IMO it makes things more interesting that way, to have this conflict simmering between them. The conflict gives Lea a strong incentive to help get Jesse off the hook, so I'm hoping she and Zach join forces again to do it... having them be at personal odds while working for the same end result did kind of work for them once before even though the payoff was short-circuited.

When Lea went to see Zach at the hotel later to try to reason with him (which was pretty telling of her interest in him), I thought Zach's reaction was also pretty telling. Because he really identifies with Jesse, I think at least some of his anger at Lea is being fueled by his own PTSD (for want of a better term) at not being able to keep his own family together, and she makes for a tangible target to lash out at. But when Zach told Lea he was glad nothing happened between them because he'd hate for her to regret doing something that wasn't in her job description, his sense of being personally betrayed by her came through loud and clear. He wouldn't feel that way if he didn't feel something for her.

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Angie........ Sad that in one breath, she says "it's your decision" and in the next, she says "the baaaybeeee is innocent".  It doesn't matter whether it is ABC or Hulu, it is still Disney.  Now please don't get me wrong, a rape is a rape is a rape, it is horrific no matter who the victim is and who the rapist is, no matter what the age is and what their background is.  But personally, I don't think Bianca's situation and Casey's is the same, and they should not be making that comparison, not on the show and not on "More".  Just my opinion.

Yup -- it says TOLN in the bottom right corner, but that felt like Disney. It sickens me that AMC would even think of portraying Angie as so baby hungry that she's trying to subtle influence Cassie to give birth, and giving the same weight to aborting her rapist's embryo as carrying it to term, even after witnessing Cassie's despair. I did appreciate Angie's contemptuous reference to (the unnamed) Todd Akin -- that definitely would not have been left in an ABC show -- but I fear that is just a sop they're throwing those of us repulsed at the thought of what is going to turn out to be a typical ABC Daytime resolution to this excruciating situation.

And I cannot take another storyline where Angie goes off the deep end... especially since David is circling in it like a shark.

Overall I thought today's shows were pretty good. Since we've been lucky with four straight shows in a row featuring some good Zach content -- I'm bracing myself for a dry spell after seeing the previews!

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As grateful as I am  to PP for bringing back our soap, I am SO happy to be able to watch AMC on my TV after work with a glass of wine.  It feels like old times [except for some favorite characters who are missing].

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Yup -- it says TOLN in the bottom right corner, but that felt like Disney.

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Overall I thought today's shows were pretty good. Since we've been lucky with four straight shows in a row featuring some good Zach content -- I'm bracing myself for a dry spell after seeing the previews!
I am too.  I mean, it will be great when Soapnet reaches Zach s/l in a few days I think, then we will have 3 hours of Zach on Soapnet every night, 2 hours on OWN every day, and an hour on Hulu every week.  But nothing beats NEW Zach scenes

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Even though I always thought that Zach would react the way he did when he found out that Jesse betrayed him, I felt kinda sorry for Lea. I'm cutting her slack because at least she was on Zach's side and she has given him the benefit of the doubt at least so far.

Oh I feel bad for Lea also.  Her intentions were good.  I wish something did happen between them.  But I think this is just a little bump on the road.  The screeching halt will come in the form of a huge sinkhole called Kendall, just when Zach will be ready to move on.  Though Kendall already said they both have moved on.  Based on what?  She can speak for herself, which means, she must have definitely "moved on", probably with Ryan.  Wait, been there, done that.  I don't really care who.  How can she speak for Zach, when he is STILL wearing the ring? 
What bothers me about Lea is that she is completely unaware of Zach's "profile", something I think she should have studied at the very beginning of her investigation.  I guess the writers need to ignore the basics so they can create more drama, LOL.

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 I think Zach is terrified of entering into a relationship with Lea, and he's using anger at hiding her investigation of Jesse to sabotage it before it begins so he doesn't have to deal with it, because leaving his ring on isn't enough of a barrier. Zach wouldn't be terrified if he didn't really want to do it, so eventually his desire to be with Lea will get the best of him. IMO it makes things more interesting that way, to have this conflict simmering between them. The conflict gives Lea a strong incentive to help get Jesse off the hook, so I'm hoping she and Zach join forces again to do it... having them be at personal odds while working for the same end result did kind of work for them once before even though the payoff was short-circuited.

When Lea went to see Zach at the hotel later to try to reason with him (which was pretty telling of her interest in him), I thought Zach's reaction was also pretty telling. Because he really identifies with Jesse, I think at least some of his anger at Lea is being fueled by his own PTSD (for want of a better term) at not being able to keep his own family together, and she makes for a tangible target to lash out at. But when Zach told Lea he was glad nothing happened between them because he'd hate for her to regret doing something that wasn't in her job description, his sense of being personally betrayed by her came through loud and clear. He wouldn't feel that way if he didn't feel something for her.


Totally agree with you on all your points; not just the Zach ones ;-). 

Another sign that Zach is starting to care about Lea is how nervous and shy he was with her while they were having their coffee.  Very sweet!  I think Lea is already hooked.  She looked disappointed that Zach was still wearing his ring and then tried to cover it up.   Their last scene when Zach walked out and Lea's reaction made it abundantly clear that she likes Mr. Slater very, very much, lol.  PG did a very nice job there.  I think that their disagreement is going to be just a little bump in the road for them and I'm betting they do team up again with Jesse to bring Yuri to justice and get Jesse out of his legal jam.  Maybe Lea convinces her higher ups to make a deal with Jesse. He helps them trap Uri and all charges against him will be dropped in exchange.

Loved the Miranda and uncle Zach Teddy Bear scenes.  Fabulous!  How I wish we had been shown the picture she drew of Ian & Spike.  Poor Zach, looked so hurt/moved by it.  I laughed when Zach motioned with his hand that he'd be watching AJ and then covered up his meaning by saying "sunscreen".   AJ better treat Miranda well because he'll have to deal with another kind of bear, the one that bites and claws, if he doesn't, lol.

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Angie........ Sad that in one breath, she says "it's your decision" and in the next, she says "the baaaybeeee is innocent". 


UGH...I actually cringed when I heard Angie say that.  THAT.WAS.HORRIBLE! As if Cassie doesn't have enough to deal with w/o Angie putting that kind of passive agressive pressure on her to keep the baaaybeeeee.  

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Since we've been lucky with four straight shows in a row featuring some good Zach content -- I'm bracing myself for a dry spell after seeing the previews!


I'm braced.  It doesn't look promising for us, huh? It's going to be a long ass two weeks waiting for Zach to get back on screen.

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Two weeks, Alina???  Say it isn't so!  Do you know this to be true, or were you just making a generalized prediction?
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Two weeks, Alina???  Say it isn't so!  Do you know this to be true, or were you just making a generalized prediction?


Pah, I don't know for certain...just a guess because of the lack of Zach in previews for next week's 2 AMC episodes.  If he's not on either episode then we probably won't see him til the following Monday (July 29th).  But...maybe they will surprise us and give us plenty of non-previewed Zach scenes instead of what they have been doing (previewing Zach only for the scenes not making it on air) 

Hope springs... ;-)

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"Then there is Zach Slater.  I am sure you know HIM, that hunky hawtie with a brogue, that used to be hitched to Erica Kane's daughter?  I am telling you, if I was a few years younger, he would be in big trouble.  My God!"

Oh Opal, you remind me of Zyrtle  

But just so you know, there are MANY of us who would say the exact same thing, LOL.  For a Zachless episode, that was a GREAT mention of Zach, even though we have had no Zopal scene so far.  I mean, does she even know that he is in town?  The PTB need to make time for these characters/relationships instead of giving us too much Celia/Petey/Colby/David.  If it were up to me, that auction would be for a date with Zach instead of Petey as PV's most eligible bachelor!  Especially since they are raising money for Miranda Center!

Speaking of the Zachless episodes, there was so much wrong with the first one:  Celia's visions, Celia/Petey/Colby triangle, PV's own Paris Hilton, BCT, David, the list is endless! 

There was so much wrong with the second one: BCT, Colby and David in bed, such a nausea-inducing way to start the show!   I think there are way too many people now involved in Miranda Center.  Binks is hardly ever around, Erica and Kendall are out, Griff was only at PVH and is God Knows where now, so we get Dixie in charge of the center?  And just when I think that the one rotten thing in the state of Colby Chandler IS Colby Chandler herself, they try to show me Colby's human side!  I guess I am glad SOMEBODY was able to give courage to Cassie to come to the decision, even if it was Colby.  Of course, David continues to sprinkle salt on Angie's wounds, and he will be there for her when she will blame Jesse for her not being at PVH when Cassie goes through with the abortion!  UGH!

Looking forward to some Zach/Lea next week!

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I was just about to check in on iTunes for this week's dole of AMC, but it sounds like I won't get any Zach time. (SOB!)  I'll watch the darn thing anyway just to support the existance of what I consider to be "Zach's show".  I agree that the activities of the newer (or up-aged) characters don't interest me much.
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"Then there is Zach Slater.  I am sure you know HIM, that hunky hawtie with a brogue, that used to be hitched to Erica Kane's daughter?  I am telling you, if I was a few years younger, he would be in big trouble.  My God!"

Oh Opal, you remind me of Zyrtle  

But just so you know, there are MANY of us who would say the exact same thing, LOL.  For a Zachless episode, that was a GREAT mention of Zach, even though we have had no Zopal scene so far.  I mean, does she even know that he is in town?  The PTB need to make time for these characters/relationships instead of giving us too much Celia/Petey/Colby/David.  If it were up to me, that auction would be for a date with Zach instead of Petey as PV's most eligible bachelor!  Especially since they are raising money for Miranda Center!



Searose, that out-of-nowhere mention of Zach was so bizarre to me - because he is so the logical one to auction off a date with. This show is so full of missed connections that the forced retroactive super close friendship we never heard of before between Colby and Cassie just seem all the more forced to me.



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Searose, that out-of-nowhere mention of Zach was so bizarre to me - because he is so the logical one to auction off a date with. This show is so full of missed connections that the forced retroactive super close friendship we never heard of before between Colby and Cassie just seem all the more forced to me.


Yeah, they only hung out for one summer and had a mutual freaking out about Sam Woods' son possibly having run over RTF!  After that, Petey left town and Colby's character went totally downhill and her only "friend" was her disgusting Vlog!  So Petey and Colby being so upset about Cassie seemed disjoined, and especially for Colby seemed out of character.  I am just glad Cassie will be taking action, and hopefully there won't be any more "but the baaaybeeee is innocent" sermons for her or for us.

Anyway, Opal/Jayne conversation seemed to continue on out of the microphone range.  I was so hoping that Jayne would say to Opal that yes, she knows who Zach Slater is, because he has been coming by for the coffee.  Opal's reaction to that would have given us a clue whether she has a clue that he is in town, LOL.

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Thanks for the posting the only part of this week's shows that sounds worthwhile, searose -- guess I picked the right week to go to the beach! I would have upped my data usage plan to watch Zach though. (g)
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Zach Slater!   The Coolest Uncle In The World, who does the Amazing Uncle Thing and takes his lovely niece shopping for dress, for shoes, for jewelry, and agrees to go to the gala with her!  Of course we know how incredibly superb Zach's taste is in jewelry and in everything else.  But my mind keeps picturing Zach dressed up for the gala, and I SO want to be Miranda for that evening :thud:  I love that FINALLY, Zach and Miranda are spending quality time together, now that Zach's legal troubles are out of the way.  Though casino problems are not over yet, and the Russian mob is still around, before that s/l restarts, I just hope that Binks will have the sense to have that "talk" with Miranda really, really soon, and that she will have the sense to include Uncle Zach, especially since he has offered for them to have that talk together.  Being AMC, I won't hold my breath, and may be all hell will break loose at the gala.  But I feel like there was a bit of progress today, with Zach spending time with Miranda.  Now only if we can have Zach interacting with Opal and Dimitri and Brooke, and the nuJoonyer!  Speaking of which, I do enjoy Zach/AJ interactions.  Seems to me that AJ treats Zach with respect and fondness, and Zach does not see a glimpse of Joonyer in that boy.  Having had a monster for a father, Zach truly judges a person by who he/she is, not by who the parent is!

The other thing I truly enjoyed watching today is Zach The Coolest Friend In The World, though nobody inferred that title upon him.  Of course it is Zach who brings in the best attorney to defend Jesse, it is Zach who bails him out, it is Zach who tells Jesse he loves him.   

And I like that Lea has not totally given up on Zach. 

There are so many other things I don't care about, Celia to start with.  Can't stand her every time she speaks, like a four year old :rme:  I am sick of her "guardian" suspense.  I don't see a purpose in BCT sticking around.  He already "saved" AJ, he already bought Dixie's forgiveness, now he has to win a date for Petey by bidding on Celia's behalf?  I would rather see Brooke trying to outbid Colby to get Celia the date since she is so fond of Celia and knows what a rotten brat Colby is.  And I certainly am not looking forward to the new Dr. Jerk to now have a back-story of his own.  And what I hate the most, David working so hard to have Angie consider him her rock.  David needs to go fuck himself.  He has nothing better to do except trying to bed as many women as he can, and go around picking fights with as many men as he can.  I do NOT like these David versus Jesse confrontations, especially David spreading the news about the abortion, and constantly beating his chest about getting Angie's sight back, and no one reminding him that HE is the reason she lost her sight in the first place, UGH!

Last but not the least, on "More", why are they bringing up Erica's 1973 abortion?  They "UN"aborted it 32 years later :rme:  If anything, they should have brought up Julia's abortion, she made that excruciating choice after she was brutally raped by a drug dealing creep.  She too could not count on her parents to support her decision, and therefore had Maria and Noah who gave her the courage and stood by her.  Oh wait, they have to keep all of the Santos family history off canvas, just like the old regime was doing :sigh:  If they want to bring up history, they should bring up what was relevant! 

Hoping to be pleasantly surprised next week by ample Zach time, Zach escorting Miranda to the gala, Zach looking so fine in tux...................

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Searose, as usual I agree with every word you wrote. The Ziranda interaction was so heartwarming today - how I wish Zach would buy his own place in PV and Miranda could live with him during Bianca's frequent absences. That would make a great series! Like a modern day version of Bachelor Father! (OK, I watch waaaay too much Antenna/ME TV). Of course, I loved the idea of Zach taking Miranda to the gala, I'm sure we all already thought of that ourselves, and I wish I had any confidence that the show will actually follow through on that. But at least we got some great Zach/Miranda scenes today. I also like Zach and AJ's rapport a lot.

I'm still feeling sorry for Lea. She really made an effort today. The show still owes us a real love scene. I hope Lea goes to the gala!






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I'm still feeling sorry for Lea. She really made an effort today. The show still owes us a real love scene. I hope Lea goes to the gala!



Ziranda lives!  YAY...highlight of this week's episode!  Hope we actually get to see them interacting at the gala.  I also hope Zach overhears Hunter being an ass to Miranda...that would probably be the end of Hunter's reign of terror, lol.

Christy, I felt badly for Lea too.   I'm hoping (really hard) that she shows up at the gala, looking drop dead gorgeous and that Zach takes one look at her and forgets all about the disagreement and turns on the romance, lol.

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Finally had a chance to catch up with last week's episodes and then this week's. (The only thing that got me through last week's was knowing that Zach was in this week's.)

Anyway, I loved the Zach/Miranda scenes, the Zach/Lea interaction, the Zach/Jesse interaction (so naturally, the scenes were all too short and felt truncated, especially compared to the showcasing that David -- as ever -- got, and the annoying air-time gobbling Colby). I also love the idea of having Miranda just move in with Zach (but WTF is Gabby?) so they don't have to keep depending on running into the coffee shop at the same time to see each other. It's ridiculous that Zach still doesn't have his own place to live, and that Miranda essentially lives at the Chandlers.

I died when Jesse imitated David during their argument and asked if he was five. When Angie ends up having her inevitable affair with David and Jesse moves out, I would add Jesse to the Zach/Miranda household.

Let me guess about New Doc: Cassie's "baby" is now being secretly gestated in an offscreen hostess womb for future unwelcome use.

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When Angie ends up having her inevitable affair with David and Jesse moves out, I would add Jesse to the Zach/Miranda household.
Kathy/Christy, that would be like modern version of Bachelor Father living in an ideal, CLASSY version of Bachelor Pad, LOL.

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Let me guess about New Doc: Cassie's "baby" is now being secretly gestated in an offscreen hostess womb for future unwelcome use.
You mean we may end up hurling our breakfasts at WTAF#2 some day?  At the rate soap kids age, it could happen long before my senility sets in, oh horrors!  I am sorry, but I still can not get over ABC having undone Erica's abortion.  Soaps are soaps, but they should not turn in to pure sci-fi.  If they wanted to have yet another Erica offspring come out of the woodworks to avenge whatever, they could have made him Kendall's long lost twin, that would be more "soap" like, IMO. 
This is why I try not to think too much about the s/l, because when I think about the extent of their absurdities, then I just can't get over them, like EVER.  It has been seven years to Uncle Joshua reveal now and it still gets me worked up, LOL.

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Searose, that's what I thought they would do too.  Make Dr. Madden be the doctor that delivered Kendall - - - it was really twins - - - here's Joshy.  MUCH more believable and accomplishes the same goal.

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